What he says about having good taste but ability that falls short of the taste rings true with me. I’m in that stage. It’s comforting to know that lots of people (everyone?) goes through it. Though I think my taste could use improvement as well.

Tell me about your road trips. Why did you take them?

A lot of people have been under the assumption I did the trips on my own, but I actually rode with a non-profit group that raises money for affordable housing, primarily Habitat For Humanity. There are 30 riders on a route, and we each raise $4,000 to participate; we also volunteer about once a week on build sites. So we spend about 8 weeks total in this cycle of riding 6 days, then stopping to build for a day. There are three ‘days off’ on the entire trip, where we’re neither biking or building. The lifestyle on the road is like a strong river current- you get swept in, and have to just roll with it. It’s a very exhausting, but constantly invigorating way of living. A constant rush of endorphins, wind to your face, expansive scenery, answering lots of questions about when the hell 30 identically-dressed bicyclists are doing riding through small-town X, USA.


When I decided to do my first trip, I was a junior in college at NYU, a huge biker, and wanted to have a constructive summer that would have a positive impact on the country and myself. When I heard about the trip, run by an organization called Bike & Build, everything clicked in my brain and I knew it was something I had to do. The first trip was everything I could have every hoped for, and the second I hit the Pacific, I knew I had to do it again. Coincidentally, the two trips had the most symbiotic relationship with my shooting Transamerica- doing these rides made for a perfect opportunity to create a project, and the project was a perfect opportunity to heighten my observations while on the road.

What was it like biking and building for 8 weeks with a 4×5 camera with you? Did you develop any film while on the trip to check your progress, or did you just wait until the end?

This was a supported ride, which meant that we had a 15 passenger behemoth of a van to carry our duffel bags, food, and other group items. I kept my 4×5 field camera, a Toyo 45A, stowed in the van with a small gitzo tripod I bought my last day living in New York, off craigslist, from a Frenchman who had bought it during an extended tour of Europe in the 80’s. So that thing has seen more of the world that I have. The setup can be seen here.


The camera and holders (I had 4, 8 sheets total) fit in that small beige bag. I had one 210mm lens. Most of the 4×5s were taken at the end of the day or in the morning, off the bike. A handful of shots were taken during rides, when we met up with the van for lunch. I did the best I could to keep the film cool, but it’s so far from ideal, especially in the summer. I ended up packing my extra film in the middle of all my clothes to help shield the heat. Despite being on the road for 2+ months with wild fluctuations in temperature, the colors and saturation of my shots seem pretty unaffected. No changing bag. I just had to wait to find a building with a dark room every 5-8 days. Bathrooms, basements or janitor’s closest work best. Most random place I ever had to change film was a in the snack bar of a high school!


I just had two boxes- a 50pack of fresh film and a box for exposed shots. It was simple, but it worked out fine. Just taped both boxes well. I didn’t have the budget to send off film very often (I did it once halfway through the trip), I just had to double check everything, keep out light leaks, and hope for the best. Similar to Joel Sternfeld, who had budgeted one sheet of 8×10″ per day, I had the budget to do about 2 shots every three days.

Although the history of the road trip seems to go back to Ramses II and Alexander the Great, the modern road trip seems very much rooted in Americana, post WWII, and the advent of the US highway system. What does your project bring to the road trip that we haven’t seen before?

On this trip, I traveled an average speed of 17 mph, with no barriers (like the doors and windows of a car) separating me from the world I was passing through. I was directly connected to the environments I rode through. I could feel the temperature drop as I rode in the shade of trees, I tracked inches around fly-infested roadkill, and as I rolled through small towns, I could overhear mothers talking with their daughters about what ice cream flavors they were going to get at the malt shop. It really makes you observe everything. There is no whizzing by anything, and as a result, I was able to take in these amazing landscapes, and meet a lot of characters on the road, that I don’t think I would have ever noticed in a car.

What sort of effect did this way of observing have on the photographs you made on the trip?

I’m big on atmosphere, in both an environmental/lighting sense as well as a contextual one. Prior every portrait I took, I had already ridden through the subjects town/city, seen his/her living situations, what was going on in their lives. And I was going to witness it on the ride out, after I took the picture. While shooting, I tried to incorporate these feelings, this atmosphere, into the mood of my portraits and landscapes, as a way to help explain and illustrate the subject.


For example, I have two photos from Akron, OH of Kimberlyn and her cousin, Don. Akron is a very, very economically depressed town. It used to be the number one tire producer in America, home of Goodyear, but of course (very unfortunately), times have changed, Goodyear has left, and the city has an astronomically high unemployment rate, and an astronomically low home ownership rate. Downtown is dead, stores boarded up, about half of the homes on Kimberlyn’s block are abandoned or foreclosed. When I shot these two images, I wanted to convey the sense of depression, of people getting kicked down by a ruthless economy that doesn’t favor them in the least, as they try to remain standing nonetheless. I don’t expect viewers to understand all this, but I want it there.

Your last two sentences referencing something I’ve been thinking about lately, particularly in regards to portraiture. You don’t want to beat people over the head with the club of obviousness or explanation, but you want to be sure that some of the story is actually there. Often I wonder if people *do* understand these things, although perhaps not in an immediate and conscious way.

Yeah, and I think that concept in large part determines the success of a photograph or a series- isn’t it a goal of photography to wordlessly translate what I’m thinking and seeing straight to you, through my photographs? It’s just like what Walter Benjamin says…

I’m going to have to investigate that some more. This is something I’ve been struggling with for years: “mechanical reproduction emancipates the work of art from its parasitical dependence on ritual”Back to your work: did you reorganize the Transamerica section of your website? I thought it was in two parts before, which I was going to ask you about, but now I only see one.

Also check out writing by Charles Baudelaire, and Barthes of course. If you want specific titles (or want to take a peek at any of my college papers haha) let me know.


I did reorganize the website. On the first trip, I shot with a hasselblad, and on the second, I shot with a 4×5 field camera, as well as a 35mm p/s for on-the-fly shots. Even when I was doing sequencing of all the shots from both trips, it kind of hurt to put these luscious 4×5 images next to these gritty 35mm p/s shots. I took that p/s camera on my bike with me (riding with a 4×5 would be a bit much), and am glad that I brought it with me, but they definitely have a lo-fi image quality to them that doesn’t match. Additionally, since I took all my of 35mm shots while on my bike, usually very quickly, they tended to be of a different mood and caliber…. apples and oranges basically. All the 35mm shots are now in their own gallery, called snapshots.

I thought that the division of the project before was something like “people” and “landscape”. Perhaps I was thinking of something else. And I’d love specific titles and would probably enjoy your college papers too! So are you in a fine art program somewhere? How’s that going?

I did have people and land sections, but then I realized it was a silly way to butcher a project in half that should probably live together. I originally did it to cut down on load time, and include more shots, but in the end I just made a tighter edit. And some people think it’s still not tight enough, but I can’t bear to take any more photos off, at least right now.


I did go to college at NYU, graduated this past may, but didn’t really do fine art. I kind of made my own major, and studied how to communicate thoughts and ideas verbally/nonliguisticually. Not so much art direction per se, more like philosophy of visual communication, in fine art, photo, advertising, etc. It was a pretty rad academic program. I now live in Portland, OR.

Thanks for the papers. I did find the people/land division to be odd because in a lot there was quite an overlap. I’ve been enjoying “peopled landscape” shots a lot lately and it’s hard to tell where a land shot becomes a people shot. Is it when the subjects are aware of you or when they fill up enough of the frame? Or maybe the balance between the subject and their context?

I like the term environmental portrait, and I think it has everything to do with the context of the subject and the environment they occupy. I usually strive for a symbiotic relationship where the subject plays nicely against the land and vice-versa.

To totally switch gears: how did you go about telling people about this project? I’ve seen it mentioned in a number of blogs. Did you contact a lot of bloggers directly? Has that internet publicity translated into much real-world (not sure if that distinction is all in my head or not!) interest?

I’ve been emailing the authors of blogs that I like about the project, and the rest, as they say, is viral. (small joke). There’s been some interest about it.

Any other projects in the works that you’d like to talk about?

Mmmmm, at the moment, I’m starting one about cold-weather surfing on the pacific coast, and one about hospitals and families’ relationships with them, as they go to visit terminally ill loved ones. But they’re kind of long term, so it’ll be a while before they’re anything ‘official’.

[post interview note: Jake was holding out on us (or he was just thinking in different terms) because he certainly did have another project going on, one that benefits emerging photographers. Check out too much chocolate]

From Ben: 

I’m not sure how I feel about McGinley’s work.  I like it.  I hate it.  I think it’s honest and I find it totally disingenuous.  It’s similar to how I feel about other “we’re young and naked and having the fun you wish you had,” type of art.  Dash Snow comes to mind in a half-assed way.  In looking at Snow’s wikipedia entry I see him mentioned in conjunction with McGinley, Nan Goldin and Larry Clark.  The Clark comparison seems appropriate but Goldin’s work seems totally different to me.  I’m guessing it’s because I know she shoots her friends and family and McGinley casts and hires models to go on a naked road trip.  In that context, McGinley’s work seems like the advertising version of Goldin’s.   Rose and Olive also come to mind though I know a lot less about them than Nan Goldin so it’s hard to place them on the McGinley to Goldin spectrum.  And, come to think of it, I don’t really know that much about Goldin.  Interviews and articles on the internet do not a relationship make.  

Previous three contact sheets 

Check out the page, there is a lot of nice work by photographers that are much better than I am.   

 The officials at my polling place were VERY VIGILANT AGAINST PHOTOGRAPHY. As soon as I walked in I was told that I couldn’t take pictures. I kept my camera out but didn’t shoot. Then I was told again. The third person I asked why. He said that only accredited media could shoot in the polling place. I asked why. He said that I’d have to get permission from every person to shoot them. I said, “But the media wouldn’t ask permission.” He replied that the media wouldn’t show people’s faces. I said that they probably would and told him that I understood I was not to take pictures. I did leave my camera out. Before I left the woman in charge came by to make sure again that I was not taking pictures. She made it abundantly clear that she was in charge of that place and that she wouldn’t take any sass from anyone.I asked the one person who had conversed with me like a human, Mr David Cobb, where I could find the rules and such regarding this mandate, since I actually did look for them beforehand. He gave me the number for the Government Accountability Board. It is (608) 266-8005.Also, I cannot deny that my camera may have gone off whilst being handled.

I guess I’d like to add something: I’m not a righteous crusader for photographers rights.  I believe in them, but taking pictures is way more important to me than civil disobedience.  If you follow my stream, you’ll know that I take thousands and thousands of pictures of people without asking (my stream is about 1/100th of what I shoot).  I do not make it a point to exercise my right to photograph by being loud about it, or even obvious at all.  I’m not intrusive.  I’m not like, “Here I am, exercising my rights in your face so maybe you can try and stop me and I can make a fuss about it.”  I respect people who do that, but that’s not me.  So to be told not to shoot was a little shocking.I suppose it comes down to privacy. I did see someone remarking that it’s a right to publicity issue, but I really don’t think so. (I’m not a lawyer) I do think that someone has a right to privacy while voting, and that there is a reasonable expectation to privacy while voting. But not while standing in line, or talking to officials, or while standing in the taped off “election observer area,” which was, by the way, kind of surreal and I wish I had a picture of it to show you.

I think I found it via Bryan Formhals, but he broadcasts on so many channels that I can’t be arsed to check them all right now to verify that.

Let me tell you a little story about getting these images ready for this show.  I’ve been doing all my own printing for about two years now.  I’ve gotten fairly good at it, and my inkjet prints are fairly high quality.  As such, when I have a deadline coming up, I generally don’t sweat the printing part of it too much.  

Until this time.

I moved in August.  Moving sucks.  I was very careful to pack up my printer in its original box.  It stayed in that box for a few weeks after moving.  I didn’t have anything to print so I left it in there.  Eventually, a few days before the deadline, I pulled it out, plugged it in, and started to print.  It didn’t work.  I opened it up and looked.  Nothing stuck out at me, but it was pretty filthy on the inside.  Ink spray goes everywhere after two years of use.  I’m going to make a long story short here, but two replacements, five phone calls to tech support, and one extended warranty later, I have a new working printer.  I will say this: I’m opposed to extended warranties on principal, but I’m really glad I bought this one.  Printers are notoriously fickle and have a lot of moving parts and I’m glad my is gauranteed for another two years.

So, back to the prints for the show.  My printer was a non-option.  I looked at my options.  Local consumer labs were a no-go.  They wouldn’t print my photos same day even for any amount of money.  ”We’re just not set up that way,” The Camera Company told me.  I still like that store a lot and continue to purchase from them.  I’ve been avoiding Star Photo (who apparently lost their domain name) because of a bad customer service experience I had there a few months ago.  Where I work we have a number of large format printers, including an HP that is larger than I am and two giant Epsons.  I tried printing it there, but the black and white prints came back without much contrast and I just didn’t have time to troubleshoot.  They just weren’t set up to do what I needed quickly.  

Eventually, I turned to Burne Photo Imaging. Burne has a LightJet printer, a friendly staff, and the ability to turn things around quick if you’re willing to pay for it.  I was and I’m glad I did.  The prints are gorgeous.  For those not familiar, a LightJet print is a digital print made on photographic paper with lasers.  It is continuous tone, which means no banding or posterization.  Although my inkjet prints are really damn close.  Anyway, Burne saved my ass and made some great prints.

This also means that the tags next to my hanging images are wrong.  They aren’t inkjet prints, they’re Digital C-Prints.  Unfortunately for me, the price reflects what inkjet prints would cost. 

So… if you’re in the market for a cheap super-high-quality print of a parking garage, there’s still one left at bargain prices! 

You’ve said that you bought a camera in 2006.  Had you been making photographs before then?

No I hadn’t taken any pictures prior to 2006.
In fact I felt a dislike for the whole photographic process.

Why did you feel a dislike for the photographic process?  Do you still have any dislike for it?

 I disliked the barrier the act of photography can impose
the necessity to photograph to remember syndrome
I tend to stick to mainly landscapes now

I think photography is, for many people, just a way to remember.  So why do you photograph now?

I started out as a landscape junkie and have been moving away from it in the past year.  One thing that some of your landscapes remind me of is the concept of “peopled landscapes,” a term coined by Michael David Murphy.

One person I currently admire a lot doing that kind of work is Hin Chua.

Thanks for the interesting web site suggestions.
Never considered the concept of “peopled landscapes” before.
I photograph now to see if I can get any better.

What do you look for when you are taking a picture?

I try to make the mundane took interesting
and generally fail

I’ve seen a lot of photos of the interesting looking mundane, so at least you’ve got a good goal. How have you developed your idea of what looks interesting?

My idea of what looks interesting changes from day to day, so I guess it’s far from fully developed.

How has it developed over the past year or so?

My idea of what looks interesting is still changing on a weekly basis.
I’m bored by what I shot last week.
I have a long way to go to reach any sort of plateau.

Until September 1st Gilbert and Geroge at the Milwaukee Art Museum
Related video via Conscientious

Until September 15th, Lee Freidlander’s work will be at the Minneapolis Institute of Art.
Review at The Online Photographer

August 14th, 6pm,  John Shimon and Julie Lindemann speak at the opening of Unmasked and Anonymous: Shimon and Lindemann Consider Portraiture, which runs until November 30th.

October 30th 6:15pm, Jen Davis speaks at  the Milwaukee Art Museum.  Jen’s work is featurd in Unmasked and Anonymous.  I’ve seen Jen’s work at the Museum of Contemporary Photography in Chicago and enjoyed it a lot.